Speaker: Rebecca Stephens
Rebecca Stephens: Now our good people declare that we must be so perfect that no joy can move us. We must be untouched by weal and woe. They're wrong in this, I say never was there a saint so great, but they could be moved. Yet on the other hand I hold that it is possible for a saint even in this life to be so that nothing can move them to turn from God. You may think that as long as words can move you to joy or sorrow, you are imperfect. That is not so. Christ was not so as he showed when he cried, My soul is sorrowful even unto death. Therefore, I declare that no saint ever lived or ever will attain to the state where pain cannot hurt him nor pleasure please. But it may well occur that although your heart be wrung. Yet your will remains solely with God.
