The truth is everyone is going through the same thing. So it was really refreshing to have a large group, let's say 30 individuals, going through the same thing.

...not only has this (ELDP) Program changed the way that I look at things in my agency...it reframed everything that I think about leadership.

... it's just a great Program (ELDP). Subject areas are amazing. The networking is amazing. And you guys (CalTrin) are amazing.